Veronica does this all the time… sometimes it’s when I touch her, sometimes it’s when I say something. I’m never sure if I’ve caused it or if it was a coincidence.
I would give a wolf whistle, but you guys might find it offensive.
This is where your real attention should be. There is a group of people who believe that women are, genuinely, unequal to men. Here is a brief list of their practices:
1. Women are, quite literally, viewed as unequal to men.
2. The desire of a man to have sex must be fulfilled immediately. A wife cannot with-hold sex from her husband.
3. Women cannot be promiscuous. If they are, they can be put to death. The testimony of four women is equal to one of a man if a woman is found to be promiscuous.
4. Women must not show their faces or bodies to anyone but their husbands.
Of course, there are many more injustices that I cannot list off-hand without rambling on for pages. We like to call this group Muslims.
Here are the sources from the Muslim texts:
- Women have such honorable rights as obligations, but their men have a degree above them.
Qu’ran Surah 2:228
- The prophet of Allah said: When a man calls his wife to satisfy his desire, let her come to him though she is occupied at the oven.
Hadith No. 61
The Prophet said, “If a man invites his wife to sleep with him and she refuses to come to him, then the angels send their curses on her till morning.”
Sahih Bukhari 7:62:121
- Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: When a woman spends the night away from the bed of her husband, the angels curse her until morning.
Sahih Muslim 8:3366
If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.
Compare this to the punishment for the same act for men:
If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful.
- And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear therof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers, or their brothers’ sons or their sisters’ sons, or their women or the servants whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex, and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O you Believers, turn you all together towards Allah, that you may attain Bliss.
O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognized and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.
Qur’an Surah 33:59
How come I don’t see any of you with anti-Islamic rants? As a matter of fact, many of you support Islam and “the Islamic feminist”. Why do you support the greatest example of modern female oppression?
Oh the wonderful “I don’t know arabic or the history of Islam but I’ll grab a random Quran that has been translated by some sexist Islamic scholar” and pretend I know what this Religion is all about.
First off, The Bible speaks of Hijab too. Nuns wear it but only when a Muslim woman covers her hair (even by choice) it is “oppression”. Secondly, one thing you must know is the Quran doesn’t contradict itself…EVER. So if it says something is blue one time, and the second it says it’s green you need to investigate and look into the Arabic.
“GOD has heard the woman who debated with you about her husband, and complained to GOD. GOD heard everything the two of you discussed. GOD is Hearer, Seer.” (58:1)
You do realize that even within the translations there are big differences and that men, like in any Nation or Country or Religion use Religious texts or History or anything they are able to get their hands on to work against and oppress women. How can some of the people who claim to follow the prophet and his teachings but whom have ill intentions be any different?
The Prophet said, “All people are equal, as equal as the teeth of a comb. There is no claim of merit of an Arab over a non-Arab, or of white over a black person, or of a male over a female. Only God-fearing people merit a preference with God.”
Also, I don’t follow Al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim as don’t many others Muslims. I love how you probably went to Anti-Muslim websites and pulled random things up. Good work.
“O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women.” Chapter 4, verse 1 from the Noble Quran.
You know, I love Islamophobes getting schooled by Muslim women.
Do people not remember that religion is not the source of patriarchy or misogyny or is it just me? I mean, someone who says “I would give a wolf whistle, but you guys might find it offensive.” isn’t sexist or condescending at all, right?
But from an ex-Muslim feminist right here, I’d like you to shut the fuck up. I may be one of those poor oppressed brown women who gets hurt by those mean bad Muslim men everyday but I do get oppressed by Western male asshats as well. You know, the ones that think I’m an easy target because I may be brown. Or the ones that tell me that my opinion isn’t justified because I’m a woman.
I think there’s shaming coming from both sides of the argument, and therefore I’m not going to get involved with either.
We’re all beautiful, regardless of size. And we have the right to be whatever size we want to be. True beauty comes with living that desire.
And that’s my stance on this.
*sigh* OK, here’s my problem:
Yes, you are an adult human being and you absolutely have the right to do whatever you want with or to your body. I am not arguing with that.
1) A lot of people can’t “choose to be thin” without severely damaging their health, and even then, they may not wind up “thin,” just less fat.
2) Our society equates thinness with health, no matter what, when the reality is that what constitutes a “healthy weight” varies from person to person.
3) There are health risks that go along with losing weight, that often get ignored because all weight loss is considered positive (see point 2).
The thing that really bothers me is that the health risks of dieting/intentional weight loss just never get brought up, ever. Like I said, what other adult human beings do with their bodies isn’t my business, but if you don’t know the health risks and benefits of either losing weight or maintaining, you aren’t making an informed choice. It’s basically coercion.
And if I see someone I love engaging in really unhealthy behavior, I am going to say something about it, because I love them and I don’t want them to hurt themselves. But you knew that already :)
Here’s my philosophy on dieting: Fat Acceptance preaches bodily autonomy (aka it’s my body I can do what I want), which means we have to extend that right to those who choose to engage in weight loss. I cannot judge the choices of ANYONE for what they want to do for their body without inviting other to judge my choices.
So, my goal is to educate people about the failures and limitations of long-term weight loss, but allow them the freedom and respect to make the final choice. So, I choose to work on the education end, making HAES more widely acceptable and understood, thus giving potential dieters another option to choose from when they are deciding what to do with their bodies.
Bodily autonomy is vital for Fat Acceptance and it must apply to ALL lifestyle choices, not just the ones we agree with.
Oh, I understand not wanting to reveal secrets, but I’m too old to ruin it for anyone. :)
There was no drinking or smoking on our Awakenings, but before and after is another story. Catholics are a very open group.
Riot Hour! I forgot the name of it, but that’s it. I’m glad you all still do that. I think we hit a PC patch fo a while, where it had to be all fluffy bunnies and hugs. We had one girl share her experience getting an abortion and I remember one group did a sketch where she was in stirrups (they checked with her first)… the girl who told that story laughed and laughed and laughed.
Aaaaaaaaah, Awakenings… I miss you. :)